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	<title>Comments on: Review: Liberation or Catastrophe?</title>
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		<title>By: Airminded &#183; Military History Carnival 7</title>
		<link>http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/09/24/review-liberation-or-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-6755</link>
		<dc:creator>Airminded &#183; Military History Carnival 7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Michael Howard&#8217;s new book, Liberation or Catastrophe?, to mention Lyotard is that by Investigation of a Dog &#8212; but I&#8217;m sold! Civil Warriors has an example of a gendered reading of the letters of a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Michael Howard&#8217;s new book, Liberation or Catastrophe?, to mention Lyotard is that by Investigation of a Dog &#8212; but I&#8217;m sold! Civil Warriors has an example of a gendered reading of the letters of a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RedRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And am I falling into the same trap by saying that my two mentions of Lyotard are unrelated and that postmodernism is not relevant to strategic studies? Is that what you were getting at? Or am I looking more confused than ever?"

You give me far too much credit for breadth of mind.  I thought you nicely summed up the bifurcation between those interested in international relations and those who take Lyotard seriously.  In my experience there is very little overlap between the two groups.  (I do remember reading an article by a "postmodernist" IR theorist, but it was alternately unintelligible and trivial.)  This being said, I'll cop to being a crotchety old reactionary who gave up on Lyotard after first encountering him in a course on Marxist theory.

RedRob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And am I falling into the same trap by saying that my two mentions of Lyotard are unrelated and that postmodernism is not relevant to strategic studies? Is that what you were getting at? Or am I looking more confused than ever?&#8221;</p>
<p>You give me far too much credit for breadth of mind.  I thought you nicely summed up the bifurcation between those interested in international relations and those who take Lyotard seriously.  In my experience there is very little overlap between the two groups.  (I do remember reading an article by a &#8220;postmodernist&#8221; IR theorist, but it was alternately unintelligible and trivial.)  This being said, I&#8217;ll cop to being a crotchety old reactionary who gave up on Lyotard after first encountering him in a course on Marxist theory.</p>
<p>RedRob</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also mistakenly implied that following Lyotard and being interested in international politics are mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also mistakenly implied that following Lyotard and being interested in international politics are mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Britblog Roundup No 137 - Philobiblon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britblog Roundup No 137 - Philobiblon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] forward in history, on Investigations of a Dog, Gavin Robinson reviews Michael Howard&#8217;s Liberation Or Catastrophe? Reflections on the History of the Twentieth Century, a &#8220;consideration of the big strategic and political problems of modernity&#8221;. On a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] forward in history, on Investigations of a Dog, Gavin Robinson reviews Michael Howard&#8217;s Liberation Or Catastrophe? Reflections on the History of the Twentieth Century, a &#8220;consideration of the big strategic and political problems of modernity&#8221;. On a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/09/24/review-liberation-or-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-6414</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those two comments weren't meant to be connected, but maybe they both deserve more explanation.

The first is pointing out that Howard's classification of ideologies as pro- or anti-Enlightenment is limited to ideologies which have some relevance to realpolitik. Until there's a Lyotardian government or terrorist organisation I think it's fair enough for strategic studies to ignore postmodernist ideas, whereas the Cold War made it impossible to ignore Marxism.

The second is more about Howard's own ideological assumptions. If you are a fan of Lyotard then you'll find his faith in rationality and enthusiasm for the Enlightenment hard to swallow to say the least.

I can now see that the two points might be more connected than I assumed when I wrote the review. If such a big name in strategic studies can have so unquestioningly swallowed Enlightenment ideology and shown no interest in engaging with Lyotard's critique of his position, could that be a flaw in his work? Is he assuming that his own rational liberalism is a neutral position from which he can objectively study Marxism as a problem of international relations? And am I falling into the same trap by saying that my two mentions of Lyotard are unrelated and that postmodernism is not relevant to strategic studies? Is that what you were getting at? Or am I looking more confused than ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those two comments weren&#8217;t meant to be connected, but maybe they both deserve more explanation.</p>
<p>The first is pointing out that Howard&#8217;s classification of ideologies as pro- or anti-Enlightenment is limited to ideologies which have some relevance to realpolitik. Until there&#8217;s a Lyotardian government or terrorist organisation I think it&#8217;s fair enough for strategic studies to ignore postmodernist ideas, whereas the Cold War made it impossible to ignore Marxism.</p>
<p>The second is more about Howard&#8217;s own ideological assumptions. If you are a fan of Lyotard then you&#8217;ll find his faith in rationality and enthusiasm for the Enlightenment hard to swallow to say the least.</p>
<p>I can now see that the two points might be more connected than I assumed when I wrote the review. If such a big name in strategic studies can have so unquestioningly swallowed Enlightenment ideology and shown no interest in engaging with Lyotard&#8217;s critique of his position, could that be a flaw in his work? Is he assuming that his own rational liberalism is a neutral position from which he can objectively study Marxism as a problem of international relations? And am I falling into the same trap by saying that my two mentions of Lyotard are unrelated and that postmodernism is not relevant to strategic studies? Is that what you were getting at? Or am I looking more confused than ever?</p>
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		<title>By: RedRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin,
I was puzzled by your parenthetical comment that "the focus on realpolitik means that he has nothing to say about Lyotardian postmodernism" until I read this concluding comment:  "If you’re a follower of Lyotard...then it isn’t for you, but anyone with an interest in international politics will find it worth reading."  

At the risk of appearing snide, the second comment serves as a perfectly adequate rejoinder to first.

RedRob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin,<br />
I was puzzled by your parenthetical comment that &#8220;the focus on realpolitik means that he has nothing to say about Lyotardian postmodernism&#8221; until I read this concluding comment:  &#8220;If you’re a follower of Lyotard&#8230;then it isn’t for you, but anyone with an interest in international politics will find it worth reading.&#8221;  </p>
<p>At the risk of appearing snide, the second comment serves as a perfectly adequate rejoinder to first.</p>
<p>RedRob</p>
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