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	<description>Failing better at understanding the past</description>
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		<title>By: Gavin Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll see how it goes. I might post it (or some of it) here afterwards if I don't want to use it for anything else. I'm thinking there might be a book in this topic, if I can get some funding to do some more research on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll see how it goes. I might post it (or some of it) here afterwards if I don&#8217;t want to use it for anything else. I&#8217;m thinking there might be a book in this topic, if I can get some funding to do some more research on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Mahoney</title>
		<link>http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/20/live-at-lincoln/comment-page-1/#comment-5438</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin - Sounds like an interesting paper. Any chance we will see a copy of it here. Thought about podcasting your talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin - Sounds like an interesting paper. Any chance we will see a copy of it here. Thought about podcasting your talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/20/live-at-lincoln/comment-page-1/#comment-5428</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm mainly following in the footsteps of Michael Braddick, John Walter, Steve Hindle, and Andy Wood, who have all done a lot of work on power/authority and popular agency in early-modern England, although not all of it is specifically about the civil wars. John Walter's book about the Colchester riots and Andy Wood's article on the Derbyshire lead miners are particularly important, but still relatively little has been written and there's plenty of scope for more. Although they've done some work on the middling sort, they're mainly interested in the lower classes (whereas work on neutralism in the 1970s seems to have been mostly preoccupied with the gentry). There was also a special issue of History Workshop Journal in 2006 which focused on new approaches to the civil wars, but I haven't read it yet.

The History of Parliament people have done a lot of detailed work on the development of parliament's administrative system and the make-up of committees, but that tends to be focused on Westminster more than the provinces and has less to say about how committees interacted with ordinary people. They're also firmly locked into the peace party vs war party paradigm, which might not be relevant outside Westminster. I'm very sympathetic to John Morrill's view that these parties, if they existed at all, were small minorities even at Westminster, with most MPs not committed to either, and that the distinction was meaningless in the provinces.

Meanwhile, the animal stuff mostly comes from literary studies and cultural history, although Peter Edwards has an excellent new book - &lt;i&gt;Horse And Man In Early Modern England&lt;/i&gt; - which combines those approaches with his empirical work on the horse trade.

What I'm trying to do is take an eclectic selection of approaches and combine them in a new way. I'm still not sure whether they all fit together comfortably. When I first had the idea I thought the chain of being was the perfect way of tying it all together, but now I have doubts about how important that idea was to most people in 17th century England. It's still a useful rhetorical strategy though, and it's easy to show that hierarchical thinking was dominant in this period, even if it was challenged sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m mainly following in the footsteps of Michael Braddick, John Walter, Steve Hindle, and Andy Wood, who have all done a lot of work on power/authority and popular agency in early-modern England, although not all of it is specifically about the civil wars. John Walter&#8217;s book about the Colchester riots and Andy Wood&#8217;s article on the Derbyshire lead miners are particularly important, but still relatively little has been written and there&#8217;s plenty of scope for more. Although they&#8217;ve done some work on the middling sort, they&#8217;re mainly interested in the lower classes (whereas work on neutralism in the 1970s seems to have been mostly preoccupied with the gentry). There was also a special issue of History Workshop Journal in 2006 which focused on new approaches to the civil wars, but I haven&#8217;t read it yet.</p>
<p>The History of Parliament people have done a lot of detailed work on the development of parliament&#8217;s administrative system and the make-up of committees, but that tends to be focused on Westminster more than the provinces and has less to say about how committees interacted with ordinary people. They&#8217;re also firmly locked into the peace party vs war party paradigm, which might not be relevant outside Westminster. I&#8217;m very sympathetic to John Morrill&#8217;s view that these parties, if they existed at all, were small minorities even at Westminster, with most MPs not committed to either, and that the distinction was meaningless in the provinces.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the animal stuff mostly comes from literary studies and cultural history, although Peter Edwards has an excellent new book - <i>Horse And Man In Early Modern England</i> - which combines those approaches with his empirical work on the horse trade.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to do is take an eclectic selection of approaches and combine them in a new way. I&#8217;m still not sure whether they all fit together comfortably. When I first had the idea I thought the chain of being was the perfect way of tying it all together, but now I have doubts about how important that idea was to most people in 17th century England. It&#8217;s still a useful rhetorical strategy though, and it&#8217;s easy to show that hierarchical thinking was dominant in this period, even if it was challenged sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: mercurius politicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercurius politicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume "legitimation" is being used in its sociological sense. More generally, I'll be interested to see the full paper if you feel able to publish it here! After the great swathe of local studies during the 1960s and 1970s, it's about time that issues of local loyalty, administration and the provincial response to war were revisited with new perspectives. Are there other recent books/articles you know of that revisit particular areas with the sort of analytical perspective you're taking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume &#8220;legitimation&#8221; is being used in its sociological sense. More generally, I&#8217;ll be interested to see the full paper if you feel able to publish it here! After the great swathe of local studies during the 1960s and 1970s, it&#8217;s about time that issues of local loyalty, administration and the provincial response to war were revisited with new perspectives. Are there other recent books/articles you know of that revisit particular areas with the sort of analytical perspective you&#8217;re taking?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest I didn't think about it much when I was writing the abstract. My choice of words was mostly determined by genre conventions. But now that I've thought about it there is a justification for the choice. Although "legitimacy" and "legitimation" are both similar nouns they don't quite suggest the same meaning: "legitimacy" implies the state of being legitimate; "legitimation" implies the act of making legitimate. I prefer the latter in this context because I want to stress the constructed and contested nature of legitimacy: it wasn't just there, it had to be negotiated. Nothing actually &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; absolutely or naturally legitimate or illegitimate. It all depends on what people &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; is legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest I didn&#8217;t think about it much when I was writing the abstract. My choice of words was mostly determined by genre conventions. But now that I&#8217;ve thought about it there is a justification for the choice. Although &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; and &#8220;legitimation&#8221; are both similar nouns they don&#8217;t quite suggest the same meaning: &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; implies the state of being legitimate; &#8220;legitimation&#8221; implies the act of making legitimate. I prefer the latter in this context because I want to stress the constructed and contested nature of legitimacy: it wasn&#8217;t just there, it had to be negotiated. Nothing actually <i>is</i> absolutely or naturally legitimate or illegitimate. It all depends on what people <i>think</i> is legitimate.</p>
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		<title>By: Zebee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zebee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"sought legitimation"?  Is there a reason "legitimacy" isn't the right word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;sought legitimation&#8221;?  Is there a reason &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; isn&#8217;t the right word?</p>
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