Comments on: Ironsides http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/05/ironsides/ Failing better at understanding the past Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:42:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Gavin Robinson http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/05/ironsides/comment-page-1/#comment-5172 Gavin Robinson Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:46:50 +0000 http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/05/ironsides/#comment-5172 Another thing is that the account of the recapture of Bristol gives the impression that it was down to Cromwell's brilliance and Rupert's lack of will to fight. If it was written by Fiennes or one of his sympathisers you'd expect them to put a different spin on it. I'm wondering if the folk etymology of "Ironsides" came about through people mixing up Cromwell's Ironsides with Haselrigge's Lobsters. Both famous cavalry regiments but for different reasons. Another thing is that the account of the recapture of Bristol gives the impression that it was down to Cromwell’s brilliance and Rupert’s lack of will to fight. If it was written by Fiennes or one of his sympathisers you’d expect them to put a different spin on it.

I’m wondering if the folk etymology of “Ironsides” came about through people mixing up Cromwell’s Ironsides with Haselrigge’s Lobsters. Both famous cavalry regiments but for different reasons.

]]> By: mercurius politicus http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/05/ironsides/comment-page-1/#comment-5130 mercurius politicus Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:13:13 +0000 http://www.investigations.4-lom.com/2007/08/05/ironsides/#comment-5130 I'm sure you're right that it's not Fiennes - his name and that of Holles were the first L.S.'s that came to mind, but neither really seems a likely candidate. Looking through the other EEBO references, there is a <a href="http://gateway.proquest.com/openurl?ctx_ver=Z39.88-2003&res_id=xri:eebo&rft_id=xri:eebo:citation:99866066" title="pamphlet from 1652" rel="nofollow"> by another L.S. which seems like it could be the same author: it says that it's printed "Printed for W.R. at the signe of the Unicorn in Pauls Church-yard, 1652". <i>Perfect Politician</i> was printed for William Roybould at the Unicorn. So it seems likely the two are by the same person. I haven't had a chance to read it but I'm going to spend some time digging over the next few days to see whether I can make any connections between these two. A good excuse to avoid tidying my files, anyway!</a> I’m sure you’re right that it’s not Fiennes – his name and that of Holles were the first L.S.’s that came to mind, but neither really seems a likely candidate. Looking through the other EEBO references, there is a by another L.S. which seems like it could be the same author: it says that it’s printed “Printed for W.R. at the signe of the Unicorn in Pauls Church-yard, 1652″. Perfect Politician was printed for William Roybould at the Unicorn. So it seems likely the two are by the same person. I haven’t had a chance to read it but I’m going to spend some time digging over the next few days to see whether I can make any connections between these two. A good excuse to avoid tidying my files, anyway!

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